I thought kerfing was Mario's beef...
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| Author: | Howard Klepper [ Wed Jun 28, 2006 4:59 am ] |
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Am I the only one to whom this usage seems odd? |
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| Author: | TomS [ Wed Jun 28, 2006 5:13 am ] |
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"Build" is commonly used in software development to refer to the most recently compiled version of an application. Perhaps the usage has spread from that context? [EDIT] - Actually, "build" could refer to any version of a software application, what I was thinking of when I typed the paragraph above is "latest build". |
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| Author: | JBreault [ Wed Jun 28, 2006 5:13 am ] |
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From Webster: Main Entry: build Function: noun : form or mode of structure : MAKE; especially : bodily conformation of a person or lower animal I think the way we use it is not quite trditional, but it is our jargon. |
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| Author: | Michael McBroom [ Wed Jun 28, 2006 5:18 am ] |
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Kinda OT for this forum, but . . . <linguist hat on> English has shown itself to be an extremely flexible language. We verbify nouns and nominalize (make nouns out of) verbs freely, mostly I suspect for economy and ease of understanding. Consider a few other nouns that have been verbified that we don't give second thoughts to anymore: mail, email, strike, talk, switch, sleep, ship, train, stop, drink, lure, mutter, dress, fool, merge . . . <linguist hat off> Best, Michael BA, MA Linguistics, CSUF |
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| Author: | John How [ Wed Jun 28, 2006 5:22 am ] |
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Here's that good'ol noun that we use as a verb..... Main Entry: ra·di·us Pronunciation: 'rA-dE-&s Function: noun Howard likes this one too. |
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| Author: | Pwoolson [ Wed Jun 28, 2006 5:55 am ] |
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As long as we're getting under Howard's skin... KERFING! |
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| Author: | JBreault [ Wed Jun 28, 2006 6:06 am ] |
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I thought kerfing was Mario's beef...
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| Author: | Robbie O'Brien [ Wed Jun 28, 2006 6:38 am ] |
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Try explaining to a foreigner that we first "cut a tree down" and then "cut it up" to use it in the build. 15 years as a teacher of ESL 
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| Author: | Mike Dotson [ Wed Jun 28, 2006 6:48 am ] |
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That's so funny, I was just radiusing the kerfing on my latest build. Over on the Cobra replica forums I frequent 'my build' is a common term. So it ain't just loo-te-ers that are dum and cain't talk the King's English rightly. |
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| Author: | burbank [ Wed Jun 28, 2006 6:53 am ] |
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Maybe "kerfing" has enough going against it to be a lot of people's beef. I wonder if "binding" was ever in this state? Or purfling? "I just purfled my latest." Here's one that really gets my goat, "who do you office with?" |
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| Author: | Howard Klepper [ Wed Jun 28, 2006 7:23 am ] |
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Michael, I knew that. I was carefully avoiding judgment; just wondering when the usage arose and noting that it does catch my eye as a newer one. I have recently been taking a class in linguistics, and find that one result of it is that I am much easier about accepting new usages. I still don't like those that I think are misleading, or less informative. For example, I don't mind 'radius' as a verb, when a circular or spherical shape is being made. I do mind it when it refers to making curves that are not defined by a radius, since it is then misleading. Yes, 'build' has had noun usages before; I mean the one that refers to a process of building or a built object. It comes up here frequently. The software example is helpful and may be the answer to the original question. Thanks. I think there is something impersonal and cold about calling a guitar you are making a 'build'--to my ear it takes an individual object of art and treats it as a generic, nondescript object. It reminds me of a guitar trader I dealt with in the 70's who kept referring to guitars as 'pieces.' But I am not saying people shouldn't say this if they prefer it. |
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| Author: | rlabbe [ Wed Jun 28, 2006 7:25 am ] |
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[QUOTE=Howard Klepper] When did ’build’ become a noun?[/QUOTE] In 1325 according to the OED. |
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| Author: | Howard Klepper [ Wed Jun 28, 2006 7:28 am ] |
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Not in the sense under present discussion, if you look at the OED's examples. |
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| Author: | Tomas [ Wed Jun 28, 2006 7:34 am ] |
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I agree with you howard it is odd. By the way how is your latest build coming 
Howard I met you up at grass valley. As my students would say, "Dude you got Skills";-) Tomas ( I was the guy with the twins trying to steal all of your secrets) |
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| Author: | Michael Dale Payne [ Wed Jun 28, 2006 7:35 am ] |
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poets have for centuries used verbs as nouns |
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| Author: | ATaylor [ Wed Jun 28, 2006 7:39 am ] |
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[QUOTE=Howard Klepper] For example, I don't mind 'radius' as a verb, when a circular or spherical shape is being made. I do mind it when it refers to making curves that are not defined by a radius, since it is then misleading.[/QUOTE] Hmm. Since all curves are made up of one or more "radii", I guess that would be the proper verb! "I just got finished radiiing that neck" There's a good scrabble word!
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| Author: | rlabbe [ Wed Jun 28, 2006 7:46 am ] |
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[QUOTE=Howard Klepper] Not in the sense under present discussion, if you look at the OED's examples.[/QUOTE]True. But isn't it interesting how the word's usage has changed over time? :D I.e. if you are going to tweak us for changing a word, we'll tweak you back for wanting it not to change. [quote]Bryng me to bat bygly bylde[/quote] |
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| Author: | Serge Poirier [ Wed Jun 28, 2006 7:47 am ] |
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I think i'm gonna start compound radiussing all my curves from now on |
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| Author: | Bill Greene [ Wed Jun 28, 2006 7:51 am ] |
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[QUOTE=Michael McBroom] Kinda OT for this forum, but . . . <linguist hat on> English has shown itself to be an extremely flexible language. We verbify nouns and nominalize (make nouns out of) verbs freely, mostly I suspect for economy and ease of understanding. Consider a few other nouns that have been verbified that we don't give second thoughts to anymore: mail, email, strike, talk, switch, sleep, ship, train, stop, drink, lure, mutter, dress, fool, merge . . . <linguist hat off> Best, Michael BA, MA Linguistics, CSUF [/QUOTE] What are the chances we have, actually have, a linguist on the OLF? I LOVE THIS PLACE!!! Bill |
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| Author: | rlabbe [ Wed Jun 28, 2006 8:06 am ] |
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Somewhat more to Howard's point, here's a article by the Macmillan English Dictionary on new words. The word they site is self-build, but within that definition is the assumption that 'build' is a noun referring to a project, with self describing who is doing the project. No exact date is given for this usage. |
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| Author: | TonyKarol [ Wed Jun 28, 2006 8:15 am ] |
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Howard - here is something I found funny in what you said above - "to my ear it takes an individual object of art and treats it as a generic, nondescript object. It reminds me of a guitar trader I dealt with in the 70's who kept referring to guitars as 'pieces.'" I thought art was always referred to as "pieces" - as in "Thats a nice piece of art", or maybe work of art would be better I guess. Art is a big huge entity, and this is a piece of it. A piece of pizza is not art, but then again, it depends who made the pizza !!! |
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| Author: | burbank [ Wed Jun 28, 2006 9:29 am ] |
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OK, I'm convinced. Any ideas about what term we could use in place of "build?" |
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| Author: | L. Presnall [ Wed Jun 28, 2006 9:30 am ] |
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[QUOTE=JBreault] I thought kerfing was Mario's beef... [/QUOTE]
Where is Mario these days anyway? 
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